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Re: Inside Sesame March issue
Mar 2nd, 2004 at 5:52pm
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I remember, there was a request for guidance for Point of Sale kind of application and in this issue Tom has tackled that very skillfully. I believe this should definitely of great help to put some ideas into any custom needs of such system.

Tom did not address to printing yet but he mentioned about merge printing and as I understood, Sesame did not support merge printing of SubForms, well, not until the ver 1.0.1.  Is there something new addressing to this printing issue in version 1.0.2?
  
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Re: Inside Sesame March issue
Reply #1 - Mar 2nd, 2004 at 6:32pm
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You can print subforms using PrintString or a report with a subreport. Nothing "automatically" supports merge printing of subforms in the way I think you mean. Word does have a special conditional field type that you can use, but it's very complex. We're looking at making an example of this, when we get a chance.
  

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Reply #2 - Mar 2nd, 2004 at 8:37pm
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Thanks for the tip of "point of sale" Bharat. I just signed up for the newsletter.

You guys are great!

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Reply #3 - Mar 2nd, 2004 at 8:45pm
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OK, I think I just made the best purchase of my life! Not bad for $109.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go weep with joy!

Steve A.
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 2nd, 2004 at 9:01pm
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LOL That means that they sold at least 2 subscriptions today!.  Grin

I guess anything to do with invoicing must be pretty popular. (Hint, Hint for the suggestions thread)
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 2nd, 2004 at 9:50pm
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If you look on page 14 near the end of the article, you'll see the promise to cover invoice printing in the April issue.
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 2nd, 2004 at 9:51pm
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A quick glance at the March pdf revealed a reference that says "Requires Sesame 1.0.2"  So...is there a new release? If so, for reference, do you need to install 1.0.1 then 1.0.2, or can one go straght from 1.0 to 1.0.2?
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 2nd, 2004 at 10:19pm
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A quick glance at the March pdf revealed a reference that says "Requires Sesame 1.0.2"  So...is there a new release? If so, for reference, do you need to install 1.0.1 then 1.0.2, or can one go straght from 1.0 to 1.0.2?


1.0.2 is currently being tested for release. We expect it to be available very soon. And, yes, you can go straight from 1.0 to 1.0.2.  Smiley
  

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If you look on page 14 near the end of the article, you'll see the promise to cover invoice printing in the April issue.


Tom,
Yes, I read that and I am looking forward to next issue to see how did you merge the SubForm elements. I thought it is very complex if not impossible with versions so far.  You also mentioned that the application requires ver 1.0.2. So, putting two together, I guessed that there is something in version 1.0.2 to make this simpler.  Am I right?  Do you want to give a hint as to how did you merge subform elements or we will have to wait for another long month to know that?

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Reply #9 - Mar 2nd, 2004 at 10:33pm
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I noticed that there was an item for sale in "Inside Sesame" called a utility to "Convert Fixed ASCII Files to Standard ASCII" for $89.00.

In Q&A, this as I recall was an Import and an Export option included in the price of the software. I think that this kind of detail could have made a strong program even stronger.  Sad
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 2nd, 2004 at 10:49pm
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GJK,

I agree with you to the extent that Sesame development team should do whatever necesary to give it competitive edge in the market place. I felt that was not being done when I read that the calendar that Sesame  Team made for Q&A 5 is also good for Sesame and one can buy that to use with Sesame.  I thought the product would have been better in the competitive market if this would have been included with the product. But then I thought that we should support Lantica in whatever way we can and a few dollars here and there is not going to hurt us that much.

But I think companies should take a hint from the most successful company of the century and that happens to be in the same field namely software, who else but Microsoft?  It practically swept the market by incorporating whatever they could get into their products while others tried to sweep nickles and dimes. I hope this will be taken in the right spirit and not misconstrued as criticism. This is the matter of the philosophy of the company in general.

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Reply #11 - Mar 2nd, 2004 at 11:01pm
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This is a question of the philosophy of the company in general.

Actually, it's not. Marble Publications/Inside Sesame are completely separate from Lantica. A third party choosing to charge for their work in developing certain utilites is in no way related to the company philosophy of Lantica. Lantica does not receive any money if you purchase applications or utilites through Inside Sesame or any other third party developer/consultant.

In addition, the existence of a third-party utility that performs a particular task will in no way prevent features from being added to Sesame itself. Development of Sesame is not affected by the development of third-party  tools.
  

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Reply #12 - Mar 2nd, 2004 at 11:10pm
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I referred here to the Calendar that Lanticans made and it is good for Sesame.  I am not speaking of the software utilities that Marble Publication is selling. However, if Lantica does not include such module into the Sesame in the future because some other principals of Lantica came out with the utility and it might hurt them, this kind of thinking is likely impede the growth of Sesame in the market place. I am not implying that Lantica is following such policy but I am raising the flag as to such policy could only hurt Sesame.
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 2nd, 2004 at 11:21pm
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I look at purchasing these products as a method of speeding my development time and learning better techniques at the same time. I have purchased and implemented into my own application the check writing program offered by Inside sesame and am glad to have saved the time and added a valuable tool to my app.

I am hopping in the future more people will offer little modules that do specific tasks that other developers and users can purchase to add to our own applications to speed and improve our products.

Well that is my 2 cents worth anyway  Smiley

  

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Reply #14 - Mar 2nd, 2004 at 11:23pm
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Please let us get on the same page. Nobody wants to see Sesame grow and flourish as do the Users of Sesame and Q&A users. This feedback is meant to help in the long run.  It might hurt someone's feeling initially but we would not bother to take our time to write this if we do not have the best interest of Sesame at heart.

  
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Reply #15 - Mar 2nd, 2004 at 11:25pm
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We are not following any policy of the sort. The calendar was not included in Sesame because of time restraints. In general, there are literally thousands of features we would like to include in Sesame (without regard for pre-existing utilities), but we have to maintain a balance between market demand and time-to-market.

My office is dominated by a large white board slowly being covered with suggestions for additional features. Some will make it into interim releases, some will be in 2.0, and some will fall off the board because the market demand doesn't support the development time.
  

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Reply #16 - Mar 2nd, 2004 at 11:55pm
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I have been a long time subscriber of Quick Answer and learned a lot from the insightful articles that it came out with month after month.  I have incorporated a lot of different ideas into my system from this monthly. I look forward to have Sesame Inside every month. It is a great value for the the bucks and I recommend everyone here to subscribe to "Inside Sesame" if you as a non-programmer wish to make a custom application and grow with it. It has been an indispensable element in my learning and growing process as far as database applications are concerned.
  
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Reply #17 - Mar 3rd, 2004 at 5:52am
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As for the utililities and applications from private developers, they can only add to the value of Sesame. As for utilities, they fill the gap between what is available and what should be available. And because of dynamic development of the Sesame and competitive products, in due course many of such utilities will get obsolete as they are incorporated into Sesame as market forces and development of the product warrants. Nothing should be spared to make Sesame compete in the market and get the edge over established products such as MS Accesss and FileMaker Pro.
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Reply #18 - Mar 3rd, 2004 at 5:47pm
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Okay, here's, a hint -- and the crux of the procedure. A loop where vLoop is the counter variable:

@FormFieldValue("LineItem", "StockNo", vLoop)

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Yes, I read that and I am looking forward to next issue to see how did you merge the SubForm elements. I thought it is very complex if not impossible with versions so far.  You also mentioned that the application requires ver 1.0.2. So, putting two together, I guessed that there is something in version 1.0.2 to make this simpler.  Am I right?  Do you want to give a hint as to how did you merge subform elements or we will have to wait for another long month to know that?

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Re: Inside Sesame March issue
Reply #19 - Mar 3rd, 2004 at 6:05pm
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Thanks Tom, I will look into it. I was surprized to see the image item on the Invoice. So, either somehow you managed to merge the subform elements' values in Word Processor or it has to be preprinted forms with printstring merge.  Just a thought.
  
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Reply #20 - Mar 3rd, 2004 at 8:30pm
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I don't mind paying the freight for a complete product. But I think that if the original intent was to produce a product that replaced a "workhorse" in the field, then it would make sense to be able to deliver a product that meets or beats the original feature for feature.

In the main I believe that Sesame meets this goal with the exception of a few items. Reports I would like to see become more polished, including a utility for making labels. I would like to be able to do this from the database and not have to port this through Word or Wordperfect.

The import and export features are present but they seem minimal, I would like to see Sesame offer at least the same capability with reference to ASCII files as Q&A did.

My earlier comment about being able to "tell the time and not having to build the watch" applies in these circumstances. I don't have the luxury of having time to program in Sbasic and debug  all of these features which I'm sure can be done. I just need to get my work done as efficiently as I can because of work imposed deadlines.
  
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Reply #21 - Mar 3rd, 2004 at 9:52pm
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The import and export features are present but they seem minimal, I would like to see Sesame offer at least the same capability with reference to ASCII files as Q&A did.


We do have only the one import format right now, which is a powerful format that can manage both flat and automatic hierarchical imports. The import format matches the "standard ascii" output from Q&A and is a common format that most external programs are capable of producing. We may add more import formats later (especially fixed ascii), but many of the formats supported by Q&A are a bit archaic for us to spend time duplicating them in Sesame. I really don't want to spend a lot of time writing importers for Q&A-supported formats like PFS and IBM Filing Assistant.

The export features are actually quite extensive, require no SBasic, manage hierarchies, and match or exceed Q&A's export capabilities in many ways. Sesame's export features include custom separators, custom delimiters, optional header record, field type delimit options, full value export, fixed export, max length export, etc.

The hierarchical import is a nice tool for transferring data from relational products while automatically creating natural links in Sesame. I've worked with Access, SQL Server, mySQL and several other database engines. I've never seen one that could manage what Sesame's hierarchical imports can do in a single import pass without writing triggers and/or stored procedures and/or VBA.

I know that those of you who have to accept input from mainframes, etc. miss the fixed ascii import, but I think we've provided a pretty rich import/export feature set for a program that's still less than 90 days old.  Wink 

I'm sure we'll get fixed ascii import options in there, for those of you who need it and don't feel up to the SBasic file i/o functions. Like any product, Sesame will grow in features as we see user need.
  

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Re: Inside Sesame March issue
Reply #22 - Mar 5th, 2004 at 2:47pm
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As Hammer says, Sesame is actually pretty rich in import/export features. The main shortfalls are dBase import/export, and Fixed ASCII. The one we hear about most is Fixed ASCII import.

Sesame CAN import fixed ASCII. Just not directly. You need to use programming. I described the procedure in the January issue of INSIDE SESAME.  Sure it might take you half an hour to set it up, but the effort is little different to what Q&A required. And, like Q&A, once set up it can be stored (as a saved mass update) for instant re-use.
  

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Reply #23 - Mar 5th, 2004 at 3:31pm
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The hierarchical import is a nice tool for transferring data from relational products while automatically creating natural links in Sesame. 


I know everyone has different needs and desires especially when it comes to importing and exporting data but in my little world Lanticans gets big kudos for having the ability to import data and have it work with the natural links.

I love having the ability to use the natural links feature along with passing key data to the child records to have the best of all worlds relational abilities with natural link simplicity.

This type of import might be a good candidate for one of the 1 page How To you are considering creating. Smiley
  

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Reply #24 - Mar 5th, 2004 at 3:57pm
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As far as I can see, export is good with all different choices. Import, other than hierchical import, it is not really upto par. You do not have even choice to have different delimiters. I had to first import a file in Q&A and make it compatible, so Sesame can import and that says a lot about Sesame Import. I would imagine that one would make certain that import is a quite versatile so as to make data tranfer easier for the people who wish to migrate from other competitive products.
  
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Reply #25 - Mar 5th, 2004 at 4:14pm
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Thank you Hammer and Alec! Your acknowledgement of the need for a Dbase and Fixed ASCII export and import feature would go a long way to help Sesame ascend to the ranks of the elite. Cheesy
  
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This one could be long winded  Smiley and probably in the wrong section but I'm looking for suggestions on the best way to bring sales tax into our system.

After reading the March issue on the Invoice System, I decided to implement some of Tom's ideas into our point of sales system, which has brought about some other problems.
In our point of sale invoice system (which is not fully tested until we recieve the 1.0.2 upgrade for subform calculations) I have been working on bringing in the new State Sales Tax tables which went into effect the first of the year but we have till May to have it fully operational before we are in non-compliance.

Under this system we have to collect sales tax at the point of delivery which apparently is to work off the 5 digit zip code with the plus 4 to obtain the tax rate for that paticular address.
As this system now gives us over 872 tax rates for the state the question now comes to the best way to incorporate this into our invoice form.
With one or two tax rates it was easier to add it as a line item in the subform but with 872+ rates I placed a check box for taxable, an LE for tax after the subtotal and planned on doing a xlookup to return the tax rate then do the calculations.
As the State Dept of Revenue now tells us the downloadable date base will not be available until May and they don't know what format it will be in yet  Angry but they tell us there is a data base on the Dept of Revenue's Website you can input the address to get the tax rate, or input the address invoice amount and it will return the tax amount.
I then get to thinking about the size of this database for these new tax codes; as it is to work off the zip +4 then every address for the state will be listed in it which will be around 3 to 5 million or better, so now what.

Is it possible to do a lookup to the website database in this scenario?
How taxing (excuse the pun) will this db and lookup be to Sesame if it were download into Sesame for use?

I also understand there is 13 states that have now introduced this tax system with more to follow, so if theres other Sesame users fighting this same problem I would like to hear how your handling it.
Or if you undeclared guru's of Sesame have any thoughts as to the best way to handle this to keep the burden to the system at a minimum, would love to hear it.

Ok, everyone reading this is now asking why is the state doing that, well it appears our governor thinks she going to start collecting sales tax from internet sales and this is stage one being implemented, talk about re-inventing the wheel
  
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Reply #27 - Mar 6th, 2004 at 10:08pm
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Hi Becky....

Can you provide the web site you are referencing?  No promises, but I have an idea that might help you out.  Expect nothing, continue to look for other solutions, but have hope.

I am thinking of a routine that will use the zip code entered into Sesame,  go to web site, get value, and paste into Sesame tax field.
  



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Reply #28 - Mar 6th, 2004 at 10:20pm
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Hi Bob, http://www.ksrevenue.org/streamline.htm
Middle of the page with hightlight arrow is one db then if you go down the page to "Sales and Use Tax Address Tax Rate Locator" you will find db's for address and zip +4 lookups, these I found the easier to use.

Either way this one's a mess  Smiley
thanks becky

My mistake Bob, both links go to the same page where the address and zip+4 db lookup's are
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Reply #29 - Mar 7th, 2004 at 12:41am
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I just "copied and pasted" all the programming into an identical set of forms from the March issue of Sesame Insider. The "test programming" option is finding a lot of bugs. Is this due to the fact that I need version 1.0.2 or did I make some mistakes somewhere and should spend the time finding them.

I dont want to waste too much time, if the errors will require the upgrade, that is not out yet.

PS. It looks like there is a typo in the programming code on page 12, middle of page, right column, of the March edition "@Msgbox ("Invo..." has an extra " at the end of the line.

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Reply #30 - Mar 7th, 2004 at 5:22am
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I think it pretty much works, at least I have almost everything working on it. I have no idea why one would need 1.0.2 except for maybe on the on form entry events. And maybe the calc button. I have checked my programing umpteen times and for some reason I cannot get it to work. This might be one of the problems, I dunno.
  
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Reply #31 - Mar 7th, 2004 at 8:38am
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Thanks Becky, I have located the page http://www.taxwatch.biz/cgi-win/Kansas/TxWStateSite.exe/ZipCodeEntry which does lookups by zip+4

1.  Would like to know if I can do this just using the first 5 digits.
Does the last 4 digits really result in different rates?  People on the same street have different rates? 66612-1234 could be different from 66612-2345?
(Never mind, I just did some tests and was quite surprised to see the results.  I have determined that the full 9 digits are needed. Forgot you've got some looooong roads in Kansas.  PS- we have lots of short roads, but NO SALES TAX, NO INCOME TAX here in NH Grin).

2.  Is it OK to just bring back the Total Tax Due?
Are you looking for State, County, City, Total Tax Rates to bring back?
Are you also entering the amount, and looking for the Total Tax Due, and/or Total Amount?

3.  We should probably make this a separate discussion item? 
Or use Private Messaging on the forum board?
Not really covered by subject "Inside Sesame March Issue"

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Becky subsequently moved this to:
http://www.lantica.com/Forum2/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=archived;action=display...
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Reply #32 - Mar 7th, 2004 at 6:11pm
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Bob and Becky,

If you do not mind keeping it open somewhere on the forum it will help many of us lurkers follow along and learn as you go. I for one find your  thought process and code solutions to be very very very valuable.

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Reply #33 - Mar 7th, 2004 at 8:14pm
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Have moved to subject INVOICE SYSTEM for those following this thread
  
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