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Mar 8th, 2005 at 3:59pm
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Ok, time to get the program working on all machines.
We have a wireless network, running XpSP2.
So no machine is a designated server. I do use one machine for most of the serious files though, so I plan to call that my server for the purposes of this operation.
The problem, is that although I copy the comman line exactly as it is in the PDF (substituting my computer's name), Windows says the location does not exist. if I remove the "-server servername" all is well. I checked, and I apear to be using the right servername.
Is it possible that because the installation is in the 'shared' directory that there is a problem?
  
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Reply #1 - Mar 8th, 2005 at 4:29pm
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Hi Bob,

If the target has quotes in it, the -server servername has to go after the quotes.

ex. The original is
"C:\Program Files\Sesame\Program\Sesame.exe"

The modified needs to be
"C:\Program Files\Sesame\Program\Sesame.exe" -server MyServer

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Reply #2 - Mar 8th, 2005 at 4:35pm
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Ok, got the server up and running.
It apparently does not like the program being in the "shared"
directory.

The server started, but the program did not. Do I need to create a separate icon for the program?
I was thinking of putting the servers' icon in the startup directory.
Also, there seems to be no option other than 'emergency shutdown' to close the server operation.
We generally shut the office computers off each night. Will this be an issue?
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 8th, 2005 at 4:47pm
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Yes you would need to create another icon to start up a sesame client.

There is a section in the book that covers how to properly shut down the server. It starts at the bottom of page 420 and ends on page 423. The only time you should ever click emergency shutdown is in the case of an actual emergency, or if you can't connect a client to shut down the server.

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Reply #4 - Mar 8th, 2005 at 7:13pm
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If i'm running Sesame on the server machine, the tabs for server shut down do not appear in the admin section. The tab does appear on the client
Does the server have to be shut down from a client machine?
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 8th, 2005 at 7:42pm
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Sesame server has to be shut down from a Sesame client, But that Client does not have to be on another machine.

One thing that I find useful is to have a Sesame Client icon on the Server computer. This is useful not only for shutting down the server but also for unlocking applications.

To run a Sesame client on the same computer as Sesame Server, copy the icon that starts up the Sesame server, and change the -server to -client.
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c:\sesame\program\sesame.exe -client MyServer

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Reply #6 - Mar 8th, 2005 at 10:07pm
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Thanks, good idea, I'll be doing that.
What exactly happens in someone shuts down the server machine when the client has a file open. It's gonna happen.  Roll Eyes
If all it does is leave the file locked, I can deal with it.
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 8th, 2005 at 10:56pm
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What exactly happens in someone shuts down the server machine when the client has a file open. It's gonna happen.  Roll Eyes
If all it does is leave the file locked, I can deal with it.


It depends how they shut it down. If they use the normal commands from the admin interface, the application files will be unlocked, and other users will be warned and optionally allowed to finish up what they are doing.

If they use Emergency Shutdown, the application files will almost certainly be locked. If they use Emergency shutdown and another user is in the middle of a lengthy operation, their operation will be suddenly interrupted without warning. The purpose of the Emergency Shutdown button is to have a quick response if the power fails and you are running on a small UPS (clocks-a-ticking!), or if someone is trying to break in on an internet connection left open, or a renegade user is running a destructive mass update.

Emergency Shutdown should only be used in an emergency. So if the computer is actually on fire (not just smoldering a little)... Otherwise, leave it alone.
  

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Reply #8 - Mar 9th, 2005 at 6:05pm
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We have no UPS  Shocked I guess it's time for some research.
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 9th, 2005 at 7:01pm
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A UPS is not required, but very recommended, especially on the server computer.
  

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Reply #10 - Mar 10th, 2005 at 9:40pm
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Sesame server has to be shut down from a Sesame client, But that Client does not have to be on another machine.

One thing that I find useful is to have a Sesame Client icon on the Server computer. This is useful not only for shutting down the server but also for unlocking applications.

To run a Sesame client on the same computer as Sesame Server, copy the icon that starts up the Sesame server, and change the -server to -client.
ex.
c:\sesame\program\sesame.exe -client MyServer

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One little problem with this, it costs an extra licence to pull it off, or so it seems.
I have Sesame running on the client machine, and I try to start it on the server, and I get a too many clients warning.
I don't want to use a licence on this machine, as I have one more client to set up.
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 10th, 2005 at 10:03pm
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One little problem with this, it costs an extra licence to pull it off, or so it seems.
I have Sesame running on the client machine, and I try to start it on the server, and I get a too many clients warning.
I don't want to use a licence on this machine, as I have one more client to set up.


You can shut down the server from any client, provided you have the Server Admin password.
  

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Reply #12 - Mar 10th, 2005 at 10:06pm
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Hello Bob,

You do not have to have the client on the server running all the time. It is just there so you can bring it up to shut down sesame server rather than walk across the office to another computer bring up sesame there so you can shut down the server.

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Reply #13 - Mar 18th, 2005 at 4:18pm
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I can't get three computers running at the same time.
I have purchased the program, and two additional licences.
Where could i be going wrong?  ???
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 18th, 2005 at 4:32pm
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Hello,

Close down the Sesame Server and all clients that you have open right now.
Restart the Server. Connections should say 0 of 3.  Let us know if it does not.
Go to another computer, one that you are sure can connect.
Bring up a Sesame Client.
Go to the Server Computer.
Server should now say 1 of 3. Let us know if it does not.
Go back to the Same computer.
Bring up another Sesame Client.
Go to the Server Computer.
Server should now say 2 of 3. Let us know if it does not.
Go back to the Same computer.
Bring up another Sesame Client.
Go to the Server Computer.
Server should now say 3 of 3. Let us know if it does not.

If the server does say three of three and you have three clients open on that one computer, then close all three clients.
Check that the server goes back to 0 of 3.
If it does try the steps above on a different computer.

Once you have checked every computer and everything seems fine and the server is back down to 0 of 3 connections.
Bring up Sesame on the first computer
Server should say 1 of 3
Bring up Sesame on the second computer
Server should say 2 of 3
Bring up Sesame on the first computer
Server should say 3 of 3

Let us know where in the steps you are failing to connect.

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Reply #15 - Mar 18th, 2005 at 6:23pm
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Can't get past the first one, it says 0 of 1.
I will try shutting down the other two computers, and restarting the server
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 18th, 2005 at 6:26pm
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Even with the other two off, I still get 0 of 1
  
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Reply #17 - Mar 18th, 2005 at 6:31pm
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Hello,

Shut down Sesame Server
Right click on the Sesame Server icon
Switch to the shortcut tab
Write down the directory that appears in "Start In:"
Take the s_conf.cnf file that was sent to you. It may be in an e-mail or on a floppy.
Put that file in the directory that you wrote down earlier. The "Start In:" directory.
Start up Sesame Server.
It should now say 0 of 3.

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Reply #18 - Mar 18th, 2005 at 7:12pm
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That did it, and I worked through the rest of the list as well, works perfectly, thanks again!
  
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Reply #19 - May 4th, 2005 at 1:56pm
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You guys have got to figure I'm an idiot by now.
But
My server is now reading 0 of 1?
Instead of 0 of 3,
and two of the client machines are looking for files in the Documents and settings folder.
They were all working fine last night, but, as I was moving files around, I'm wondering if I've lost my multi user licence, or overwritten it with the default single licence.
  
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Reply #20 - May 4th, 2005 at 2:04pm
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What icon or batch file did you use to start Sesame Server?

If it was an icon, what is the start in directory for that icon?
If it was a batch file could you post the contents of the batch file here?

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Reply #21 - May 4th, 2005 at 2:14pm
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Batch in my startup directory file reads

C:
C:\Sesame\Data\sesame.exe -server front_computer
  
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If your S_conf.cnf file is in the C:\Sesame folder than your batch file will need to be

C:
cd Sesame
Data\sesame.exe -server front_computer

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Reply #23 - May 4th, 2005 at 2:43pm
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When my replacement asks the same stupid question, you can scare the hell out of him, by telling him it's saved on his multi user installation disk.
I just put the batch file there for safe keeping.
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Same problem....slightly different.

Network file was installed by user, not by me.  First time using network pack.  I am working with a remote connecction.  Owner is out of the country for 2 weeks, not available to provide any answers.

Environment:
Server is started on standalone with desktop icon:
C:\Sesame\Program\sesame.exe -server ULTRA:20000:20001
Start In folder is C:\Sesame
C:\Sesame\ folder has a file named s_conf (no extension).

Problem:
When starting server, it only shows 0 of 1, expected to see 0 of 3.  (Not sure what network pack was installed.)
  Starting Client shows 1 of 1, cannot open second user copy.

I tried changing s_conf to s_conf.cnf,  but same result.
Also tried renaming to S_conf.cnf in case it was Case Sensitive.  Same thing.

What obvious thing am I missing?
Why do I see s_conf vs s_conf.cnf?
Did they install incorrectly? (Explorer is set to display extensions).

  



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Reply #25 - Feb 17th, 2006 at 1:49pm
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Hello Bob,

Send me an e-mail with the s_conf file attached. I have the ability to see how many users it allows. It may be that it is the wrong file.

Not sure why but Windows XP at least hides the .cnf extension even if you tell it not to hide file extensions. If you open a command line and browse to that directory and do a dir you should see the .cnf extension. Be sure that you do not have two .cnf extensions, the rename may have renamed it to s_conf.cnf.cnf

On the client if you go to Open Application, what does it say in Root Directories? Does it display the standard choices.

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Reply #26 - Feb 17th, 2006 at 3:46pm
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Have been sent....thanks.

I copied file (.cnf.cnf) from remote system to my XP
You were right, the one I saw with the extension, was really .cnf.cnf extensions.  I copied from .cnf.cnf to .cnf
I am attaching both files.

Looking from WIN98ME to XP the .cnf file does not show the extension, so this view not limited to XP?

Hmmm, when attaching to email, could not do.  Got message that files may not be real links? So I put them both into a Zip file.  Curioser and curiouser.
  



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Reply #27 - Feb 17th, 2006 at 3:53pm
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Hello Bob,

Both of the s_conf.cnf files that you sent me are one user client packs, or a +0 client pack.

Do have access to the original s_conf.cnf file that was sent to the customer from sales? It may be on a CD, a Floppy, or sent by e-mail. If so send that file straight to me.

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Reply #28 - Feb 17th, 2006 at 8:33pm
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If on floppy/CD, will not have access at this time.  If in email I may be able to locate it.  Will check later......

What are Quote:
one user client packs, or a +0 client pack.
?

Is a one user client pack supposed to allow ONE additional user ABOVE the number already authorized? 

What is a +0 client pack supposed to allow?


  



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Reply #29 - Feb 17th, 2006 at 8:58pm
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Hello Bob,

Quote:
Is a one user client pack supposed to allow ONE additional user ABOVE the number already authorized? 

What is a +0 client pack supposed to allow?


A One User Pack and a +0 Client pack are the same thing. It allows one Sesame client and only one Sesame client to connect to the Server at a time. A +1 client pack allows Two Sesame Clients to connect to the Server at the same time. If you are expecting to see 0 of 3 in the Server admin window then your client should have a +2 client pack on his/her disk.

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Reply #30 - Feb 17th, 2006 at 10:32pm
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Did not know what to expect.

Sent you copies of original s_cnf.cnf and MultiLicense text file that sounds like I should be seeing 0/1/2 of 2 allowing up to 2 concurrent users.

  



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Reply #31 - Feb 20th, 2006 at 3:12pm
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Hello Bob,

The s_conf.cnf file that I just recieved from you is a 2 user license file. Copy it into the C:\Sesame directory on the Computer that will be running the Sesame Server and run the Sesame Server. It should display 0 of 2 in connections.

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Reply #32 - Feb 20th, 2006 at 6:48pm
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Thanks Ray....

Original file that was in folder must have been corrupted.  I replaced it with the one from the floppy, last one sent to you, and got 0 of 2 right away.  Then was able to start two Clients and got 1 of 2 and 2 of 2 as expected.

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