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Re: Saving form erasing data
Reply #15 - Sep 29th, 2006 at 12:35pm
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It can't. Although, I'm not sure what you mean by a "text" file. I suspect that, with all the different copies of your database floating around, you are not using the copy you think you're using.

If you are running client-server, you may be accidentally using a local copy sometimes, and another copy on the server at other times.

If not, you may simply have multiple copies of your database in different folders.

I've also seen cases where someone had a misconfigured backup program that was carefully overwriting their day's work every day with an earlier backup copy.

If you can't figure out which copy of which database youare using, your best bet is probably to contact Support at this point. The immediacy of a telephone is a big help wih this type of troubleshooting.
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Reply #16 - Sep 29th, 2006 at 2:23pm
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Calibrate1,

I am not sure how your running Sesame (Single user or Client Server) but I have found that if I reconcile my files on a development machine and then copy it back to my server, even though no users are logged on, If I do not use server administration to stop the server my new changes are not implemented.

Thought I would throw this out just incase this might be affecting you.

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Reply #17 - Sep 29th, 2006 at 2:30pm
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BOBSCOTT wrote on Sep 29th, 2006 at 2:23pm:
Calibrate1,

I am not sure how your running Sesame (Single user or Client Server) but I have found that if I reconcile my files on a development machine and then copy it back to my server, even though no users are logged on, If I do not use server administration to stop the server my new changes are not implemented.



If your server has that application loaded, copying over its file would be a bad thing to do. Imagine if you had a file open in MSWord and while it was loaded you copied over that .doc file. MSWord is likely to overwrite your changes on the next save, at the very least.

If you are copying a design copy into your production environment - always place the design copy in a safe directory (where you know it is not being accessed by the server).
  

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Re: Saving form erasing data
Reply #18 - Sep 29th, 2006 at 2:41pm
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Sesame runs on my machine.  If anyone else uses it, they access my computer to do it.  I think that I have corrected the problem, although I am watching out for any errors.  Thank you all for your help.
  
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Reply #19 - Sep 29th, 2006 at 2:54pm
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[quote author=The Cow link=1159446976/0#17 date=1159540229
If your server has that application loaded, copying over its file would be a bad thing to do. Imagine if you had a file open in MSWord and while it was loaded you copied over that .doc file. MSWord is likely to overwrite your changes on the next save, at the very least.

If you are copying a design copy into your production environment - always place the design copy in a safe directory (where you know it is not being accessed by the server).
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I am confused (I know, nothing new)

If no users are logged on and only the System database is showing in the application open window (actually mine usually shows System Database and US Zip Codes) but my application is not showing in the open application window, doesn’t this mean my application is not loaded?

The steps I always use to update changes are:

I use save as when no other users are on the system to create my files to reconcile.
I copy my newly created files to my development machine.
I use Sdesigner to reconcile my files.
I move my current dat and db files from my server to a directory I call previous.
I rename my newly reconciled files on my development machine to the correct name.
I copy the dat and db files to my Sesame\data directory on my server

I thought when someone logs into the application my new changes would be active, It only has changes if I completely stop Sesame server and restart it.

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Re: Saving form erasing data
Reply #20 - Sep 29th, 2006 at 2:59pm
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I thought when someone logs into the application my new changes would be active, It only has changes if I completely stop Sesame server and restart it.


The server will not list apps it has loaded if they were loaded by an "X" command. In 1.x.x, you cannot force a reload of one of these apps without restarting Sesame Server.
  

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Reply #21 - Sep 29th, 2006 at 3:18pm
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The server will not list apps it has loaded if they were loaded by an "X" command.


Actually the Sesame Server will list an application that is loaded by an X command. It will be listed as the path given to the X command until that application is loaded by an actual client and then the application title will be displayed instead of the path.

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In 1.x.x, you cannot force a reload of one of these apps without restarting Sesame Server.


This is correct. If an application shows up on the list of Open Applications then the only way to re-load it from the Hard drive is to restart the Sesame Server.

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Re: Saving form erasing data
Reply #22 - Sep 29th, 2006 at 3:20pm
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Mark and Ray,

Thanks for the education.

I am adding to my list of classes that I need to take, a Sesame Administrators course. One that teaches me the proper methods to maintain, back-up, document and keep the overall wellbeing of my Sesame application and network running to its fullest potential. 
  

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Re: Saving form erasing data
Reply #23 - Sep 29th, 2006 at 3:30pm
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BOBSCOTT wrote on Sep 29th, 2006 at 2:54pm:
If no users are logged on and only the System database is showing in the application open window (actually mine usually shows System Database and US Zip Codes) but my application is not showing in the open application window, doesn’t this mean my application is not loaded?


Yes that means that at that point in time your application is not loaded on the Sesame Server

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The steps I always use to update changes are:

I use save as when no other users are on the system to create my files to reconcile.
I copy my newly created files to my development machine.
I use Sdesigner to reconcile my files.
I move my current dat and db files from my server to a directory I call previous.
I rename my newly reconciled files on my development machine to the correct name.
I copy the dat and db files to my Sesame\data directory on my server

I thought when someone logs into the application my new changes would be active, It only has changes if I completely stop Sesame server and restart it.


In a perfect world with perfect users those steps would work fine. I just followed those steps here with Customers and the new changes were picked up when the client re-opened the app after I changed it and put it back. The thing is that a Client could connect at any time and open the old application, loading it into memory on the server, and be working on it while you move the files around. One of the main reasons that we recommend that the Sesame Server is shut down during a Reconcile, Save As, File Transfer, in a multi-user environment is to be sure that no user can connect and open those files during that process.

But anyways those steps should work as long as the application is not currently open by the Sesame Server. If the load of the application after you put the files back in the correct directory is almost instant, with a large app, then the app was probably already loaded into memory on the Sesame Server.

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